Comments on: Data : the key to the Climate Change debate ? http://www.edparsons.com/2009/12/data-the-key-to-the-climate-change-debate/ The blog of Ed Parsons, Geographer. Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:11:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: maning http://www.edparsons.com/2009/12/data-the-key-to-the-climate-change-debate/#comment-1964 maning Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:37:20 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=1079#comment-1964 Climate change related data (raw and not only processed data) is too important to be in the hands of only a few academics. Sure we still need scientist to provide meaningful interpretation, but given proper tools, bedroom scientists can provide new insights in novel and unexpected ways. Climate change related data (raw and not only processed data) is too important to be in the hands of only a few academics. Sure we still need scientist to provide meaningful interpretation, but given proper tools, bedroom scientists can provide new insights in novel and unexpected ways.

]]> By: Data the key to the climate change debate : Part 2 | edparsons.com http://www.edparsons.com/2009/12/data-the-key-to-the-climate-change-debate/#comment-1963 Data the key to the climate change debate : Part 2 | edparsons.com Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:59:25 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=1079#comment-1963 [...] news of Tiger Woods, the value of making climate change data more accessible a point I made last week, is gaining some [...] [...] news of Tiger Woods, the value of making climate change data more accessible a point I made last week, is gaining some [...]

]]> By: Harsha Vardhan http://www.edparsons.com/2009/12/data-the-key-to-the-climate-change-debate/#comment-1962 Harsha Vardhan Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:00:57 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=1079#comment-1962 Ed! The most meaningful part of all this discussion is just the title :) More to just visualising the Climate Data sets .. there is a harder part that we have always being talking out 'Data Sharing'. This is one of the points that I have seen hard core Climate Scientists/ climatologists (from the meteo and ocean communities) and the other bounded ones like (agriculture, water resources et al.) are talking of. The later ones have always been an integral part of GI and thus were always discussed under the SDI's and the related data sharing issues. However, the surprising move I see in India is that this issue of data sharing has always been ignored for a lot of the time. However, there is a hope with the new data policy that will be on the plates in the next month and this outcome mandating 'Data Sharing' and I got this message that the issue of climate change was able to break those clutches. Still this is on policy mode - and I hope to see some real progress interms of sharing of (geospatial)data that is central to the core issue - The Climate Change. Would like to hear from my alien-geo-spatial friends on similar aspects. Ed! The most meaningful part of all this discussion is just the title :)

More to just visualising the Climate Data sets .. there is a harder part that we have always being talking out ‘Data Sharing’. This is one of the points that I have seen hard core Climate Scientists/ climatologists (from the meteo and ocean communities) and the other bounded ones like (agriculture, water resources et al.) are talking of.

The later ones have always been an integral part of GI and thus were always discussed under the SDI’s and the related data sharing issues. However, the surprising move I see in India is that this issue of data sharing has always been ignored for a lot of the time. However, there is a hope with the new data policy that will be on the plates in the next month and this outcome mandating ‘Data Sharing’ and I got this message that the issue of climate change was able to break those clutches.

Still this is on policy mode – and I hope to see some real progress interms of sharing of (geospatial)data that is central to the core issue – The Climate Change.

Would like to hear from my alien-geo-spatial friends on similar aspects.

]]> By: Peter Miller http://www.edparsons.com/2009/12/data-the-key-to-the-climate-change-debate/#comment-1961 Peter Miller Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:21:04 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=1079#comment-1961 This sounds interesting.... 5 Dec 2009: "The Met Office has written to 188 countries for permission to publish material, dating back 160 years from more than 1,000 weather stations around the world, which it says proves climate change is caused by humans. Its database is a main source of analysis for the UN's climate change science body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which joins talks next week at the long-awaited Copenhagen summit. John Mitchell, head of climate science at the Met Office, told the BBC the evidence for man-made global warming was overwhelming - and the planned release of data would show that. "So this is not an issue of whether we are confident or not in the figures for the trend in global warming, it's more about being open and transparent," he said. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8396696.stm This sounds interesting….

5 Dec 2009: “The Met Office has written to 188 countries for permission to publish material, dating back 160 years from more than 1,000 weather stations around the world, which it says proves climate change is caused by humans. Its database is a main source of analysis for the UN’s climate change science body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which joins talks next week at the long-awaited Copenhagen summit. John Mitchell, head of climate science at the Met Office, told the BBC the evidence for man-made global warming was overwhelming – and the planned release of data would show that. “So this is not an issue of whether we are confident or not in the figures for the trend in global warming, it’s more about being open and transparent,” he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8396696.stm

]]> By: BrianSJ http://www.edparsons.com/2009/12/data-the-key-to-the-climate-change-debate/#comment-1960 BrianSJ Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:03:55 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=1079#comment-1960 http://www.co2science.org/data/timemap/mwpmap.html Is this the sort of thing you mean? Looks very promising. There must be tools that would allow better aggregation than the 'gridding' done to date, should one want. http://www.co2science.org/data/timemap/mwpmap.html
Is this the sort of thing you mean? Looks very promising.
There must be tools that would allow better aggregation than the ‘gridding’ done to date, should one want.

]]> By: Richard Treves http://www.edparsons.com/2009/12/data-the-key-to-the-climate-change-debate/#comment-1959 Richard Treves Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:36:48 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=1079#comment-1959 I've written a blog response at http://googleearthdesign.blogspot.com/2009/12/free-climate-change-data.html Rich I’ve written a blog response at http://googleearthdesign.blogspot.com/2009/12/free-climate-change-data.html

Rich

]]> By: BrianSJ http://www.edparsons.com/2009/12/data-the-key-to-the-climate-change-debate/#comment-1958 BrianSJ Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:30:34 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=1079#comment-1958 It does seem clear that the major data sources at CRU and GISS are in something of a state and need a proper reconstruction. A google earth mashup would be a great way of locating stations (over time), identifying urban heat islands etc, and getting a picture of regional max/min temps over different time intervals. If the data gets released, it would be a very good way of crowdsourcing the re-analysis. It does seem clear that the major data sources at CRU and GISS are in something of a state and need a proper reconstruction. A google earth mashup would be a great way of locating stations (over time), identifying urban heat islands etc, and getting a picture of regional max/min temps over different time intervals. If the data gets released, it would be a very good way of crowdsourcing the re-analysis.

]]> By: gogeo http://www.edparsons.com/2009/12/data-the-key-to-the-climate-change-debate/#comment-1957 gogeo Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:23:21 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=1079#comment-1957 Pete, that is interesting but can it deal with the change in the greenhouse effect and the change in the surface albedo as vegetation adapts much like the simple "DaisyWorld" model? The melting of Siberian permafrost is a huge worry a it would result in large quantities of CO2 being released. That would increase the atmospheric content in a very short period of time which could have a profound effect on climate. The point i forgot to mention in my comment was that the simple typo by the scientist has allowed the press to say that the scientists results were wrong and that Himalayan glaciers are defying climate change. Unfortunately, while some of the Himalayan glaciers are not melting as fast as once thought, many are and the presence of huge supra-glacial and en-glacial lakes is a worry for those living in the valleys. Science must be squeaky clean as its results will be attacked and misinterpreted by climate skeptics. Just look at what is going on at UAE http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/8389727.stm Pete, that is interesting but can it deal with the change in the greenhouse effect and the change in the surface albedo as vegetation adapts much like the simple “DaisyWorld” model?

The melting of Siberian permafrost is a huge worry a it would result in large quantities of CO2 being released. That would increase the atmospheric content in a very short period of time which could have a profound effect on climate.

The point i forgot to mention in my comment was that the simple typo by the scientist has allowed the press to say that the scientists results were wrong and that Himalayan glaciers are defying climate change. Unfortunately, while some of the Himalayan glaciers are not melting as fast as once thought, many are and the presence of huge supra-glacial and en-glacial lakes is a worry for those living in the valleys.

Science must be squeaky clean as its results will be attacked and misinterpreted by climate skeptics. Just look at what is going on at UAE http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/8389727.stm

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