Comments on: Power of Information Taskforce – Homework for the OS http://www.edparsons.com/2009/02/power-of-information-taskforce-homework-for-the-os/ Thu, 09 Sep 2010 07:35:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Ed http://www.edparsons.com/2009/02/power-of-information-taskforce-homework-for-the-os/comment-page-1/#comment-153391 Ed Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:58:20 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=692#comment-153391 Dean, You are correct, if you just use Google Earth to identify the location of a feature from imagery, you are free of the OS derived data virus. ed Dean,

You are correct, if you just use Google Earth to identify the location of a feature from imagery, you are free of the OS derived data virus.

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]]> By: Dean http://www.edparsons.com/2009/02/power-of-information-taskforce-homework-for-the-os/comment-page-1/#comment-153390 Dean Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:51:26 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=692#comment-153390 So, the question I'm being asked (by a local government department) is if I use Google Earth to obtain location information, is that Ordnance Survey derived information? I don't believe so, as they don't 'own' latitude and longitude, but my contact is going to prove nervous until I can say yes or no. Thanks for your very clear articles, Ed. Dean So, the question I’m being asked (by a local government department) is if I use Google Earth to obtain location information, is that Ordnance Survey derived information? I don’t believe so, as they don’t ‘own’ latitude and longitude, but my contact is going to prove nervous until I can say yes or no.

Thanks for your very clear articles, Ed.

Dean

]]> By: L’escouade sur la puissance de l’information du Royaume-Uni parle d'IG | BALIZ-MEDIA.com - Magazine sur l'industrie du géospatial : cartographie, géomatique, SIG et GPS http://www.edparsons.com/2009/02/power-of-information-taskforce-homework-for-the-os/comment-page-1/#comment-153386 L’escouade sur la puissance de l’information du Royaume-Uni parle d'IG | BALIZ-MEDIA.com - Magazine sur l'industrie du géospatial : cartographie, géomatique, SIG et GPS Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:14:57 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=692#comment-153386 [...] Parsons (Google Europe et ex-Ordnance Survey) pointe vers une intéressante initiative du gouvernement du Royaume-Uni : Le POIT (Power of Information Taskforce), l’escouade sur la puissance de [...] [...] Parsons (Google Europe et ex-Ordnance Survey) pointe vers une intéressante initiative du gouvernement du Royaume-Uni : Le POIT (Power of Information Taskforce), l’escouade sur la puissance de [...]

]]> By: Ed http://www.edparsons.com/2009/02/power-of-information-taskforce-homework-for-the-os/comment-page-1/#comment-153367 Ed Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:46:27 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=692#comment-153367 @Tom, No I think you may have misread the TOS.. "11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services." @Tom,

No I think you may have misread the TOS..

“11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.”

]]> By: Why is Business Intelliegnce Xenophobic? | Off the Map - Official Blog of FortiusOne http://www.edparsons.com/2009/02/power-of-information-taskforce-homework-for-the-os/comment-page-1/#comment-153365 Why is Business Intelliegnce Xenophobic? | Off the Map - Official Blog of FortiusOne Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:32:43 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=692#comment-153365 [...] have a good pulse on the global and domestic economy are publicly available. As the US Government, other countries and NGO’s further open their data this is only going to get [...] [...] have a good pulse on the global and domestic economy are publicly available. As the US Government, other countries and NGO’s further open their data this is only going to get [...]

]]> By: Tom Naughten http://www.edparsons.com/2009/02/power-of-information-taskforce-homework-for-the-os/comment-page-1/#comment-153364 Tom Naughten Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:43:24 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=692#comment-153364 I'm a bit confused here. What is the difference between the OS view of derived data and that of Google Earth? GE wants ownership of my data too when I use it in a GE mashup. I’m a bit confused here. What is the difference between the OS view of derived data and that of Google Earth? GE wants ownership of my data too when I use it in a GE mashup.

]]> By: Tim Wood http://www.edparsons.com/2009/02/power-of-information-taskforce-homework-for-the-os/comment-page-1/#comment-153363 Tim Wood Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:42:54 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=692#comment-153363 Things would be easier (in some ways) if the Ordnance Survey (OS) was still a government organisation - the government could simply change the rules. Trying to tell a private company what to do is more difficult. I suggest re-nationalising OS whilst the government has "Nationalising Companies for Dummies" out of the library. Things would be easier (in some ways) if the Ordnance Survey (OS) was still a government organisation – the government could simply change the rules. Trying to tell a private company what to do is more difficult. I suggest re-nationalising OS whilst the government has “Nationalising Companies for Dummies” out of the library.

]]> By: Daniel Honker http://www.edparsons.com/2009/02/power-of-information-taskforce-homework-for-the-os/comment-page-1/#comment-153357 Daniel Honker Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:30:30 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=692#comment-153357 Something of possible interest to you all... The National Academy of Public Administration (in the US) houses the Collaboration Project -- a forum of leaders committed to leveraging web 2.0 technologies. This report and its coverage are welcome news about government taking steps to encourage the use of collaborative tools. We've posted a link to the story on our website: http://www.collaborationproject.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=20480043 We've also got a repository of over 50 cases of government Web 2.0 initiatives, results and lessons learned (mostly US, but some international). Check them out here: http://www.collaborationproject.org/display/case/Case+Studies Something of possible interest to you all…

The National Academy of Public Administration (in the US) houses the Collaboration Project — a forum of leaders committed to leveraging web 2.0 technologies. This report and its coverage are welcome news about government taking steps to encourage the use of collaborative tools. We’ve posted a link to the story on our website: http://www.collaborationproject.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=20480043

We’ve also got a repository of over 50 cases of government Web 2.0 initiatives, results and lessons learned (mostly US, but some international). Check them out here: http://www.collaborationproject.org/display/case/Case+Studies

]]> By: Steve Chilton http://www.edparsons.com/2009/02/power-of-information-taskforce-homework-for-the-os/comment-page-1/#comment-153355 Steve Chilton Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:46:38 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=692#comment-153355 James Be sure to be in touch with someone in OpenStreetMap project (if you are not already) when any data/imagery is available from the air survey you mention. Welcome to use me as a conduit if you need to. Cheers, STEVE James
Be sure to be in touch with someone in OpenStreetMap project (if you are not already) when any data/imagery is available from the air survey you mention. Welcome to use me as a conduit if you need to.
Cheers, STEVE

]]> By: James Rutter http://www.edparsons.com/2009/02/power-of-information-taskforce-homework-for-the-os/comment-page-1/#comment-153352 James Rutter Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:30:12 +0000 http://www.edparsons.com/?p=692#comment-153352 For local government the issue of derived data is key as I've commented elsewhere. Because authorities have for years been creating their own datasets by digitising over OS data they have in effect been driving down a dead end road. The realization that the road was a dead end has only come recently with the knowledge that there are datasets available other than from the Ordnance Survey. We can't afford not to sign the forthcoming Mapping Services Agreement for another four years because without an OS license we can't continue using our own datasets. I can understand the OS wanting to prevent wholesale reproduction or copying of its mapping and there is a grey area between wholesale reproduction and datasets which are created for valid reasons but which follow OS boundaries quite comprehensively (like datasets of land parcels for instance). But for simpler datasets, for example conservation area boundaries, in no way is it in the public interest for the OS to prevent reuse of these datasets by claiming IPR over them. A conservation area boundary is of absolutely no interest to the OS. Most likely it's been created without wholly reproducing any single OS map feature or polygon, so what is the point in OS claiming IPR over it??? We're really in a catch 22 situation here. We can't move away from OS mapping because of the derived data issue with our existing datasets. If there was not an issue here, we would swap mapping suppliers pretty quickly. Open Streetmap is superior in my opinion to the OS raster datasets and we are able to source alternative large scale mapping. We have also ensured that the new air survey that we have commissioned for this year gives us unfettered ability to digitise from it and submit data to public domain datasets like OpenStreetmap without any IPR issues. Yes we paid slightly for the privilege but it's worth it to get some data out there in the public domain! For local government the issue of derived data is key as I’ve commented elsewhere. Because authorities have for years been creating their own datasets by digitising over OS data they have in effect been driving down a dead end road. The realization that the road was a dead end has only come recently with the knowledge that there are datasets available other than from the Ordnance Survey. We can’t afford not to sign the forthcoming Mapping Services Agreement for another four years because without an OS license we can’t continue using our own datasets. I can understand the OS wanting to prevent wholesale reproduction or copying of its mapping and there is a grey area between wholesale reproduction and datasets which are created for valid reasons but which follow OS boundaries quite comprehensively (like datasets of land parcels for instance). But for simpler datasets, for example conservation area boundaries, in no way is it in the public interest for the OS to prevent reuse of these datasets by claiming IPR over them. A conservation area boundary is of absolutely no interest to the OS. Most likely it’s been created without wholly reproducing any single OS map feature or polygon, so what is the point in OS claiming IPR over it???

We’re really in a catch 22 situation here. We can’t move away from OS mapping because of the derived data issue with our existing datasets. If there was not an issue here, we would swap mapping suppliers pretty quickly. Open Streetmap is superior in my opinion to the OS raster datasets and we are able to source alternative large scale mapping. We have also ensured that the new air survey that we have commissioned for this year gives us unfettered ability to digitise from it and submit data to public domain datasets like OpenStreetmap without any IPR issues. Yes we paid slightly for the privilege but it’s worth it to get some data out there in the public domain!

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