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		<title>By: A revolution in Whitehall &#124; edparsons.com</title>
		<link>http://www.edparsons.com/2006/05/building-ordnance-survey-20-less-resistance/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>A revolution in Whitehall &#124; edparsons.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The data.gov.uk portal also represents a huge shift in mindset for government in the UK, I&#8217;m very proud of a letter which I received while working at the Ordnance Survey almost accusing me of sedition and threatening me with the official secrets act for blogging and suggesting the OS could make data more widely accessible. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The data.gov.uk portal also represents a huge shift in mindset for government in the UK, I&#8217;m very proud of a letter which I received while working at the Ordnance Survey almost accusing me of sedition and threatening me with the official secrets act for blogging and suggesting the OS could make data more widely accessible. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: edparsons.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Civil servants guide to the blogosphere</title>
		<link>http://www.edparsons.com/2006/05/building-ordnance-survey-20-less-resistance/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>edparsons.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Civil servants guide to the blogosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the civil service code, and breaching the Official Secrets Act based on the contents of this blog&#8230; Yes really [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Sumit Talwar</title>
		<link>http://www.edparsons.com/2006/05/building-ordnance-survey-20-less-resistance/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>Sumit Talwar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed

I stumbled onto your blog and found it interesting for the forward thinking for a &quot;public sector guy&quot; and hope that you dont feel offended by that.
Now, even though the &quot;Oil Tanker&quot; is capable of shipping the oil to the far away lands. But, still it is shipping oil unknown of the real understanding of what is it carrying as it does not understand the type of fuel that a consumer needs to fill in his car.
This is synomomynous of the old world style of marketing out of the bag. &quot;I have this all, tell me when to stop&quot;

The newer philosophy of customer centricity may be a guide for the next generation of &quot;Oil Business&quot;.
Probably, it would mean building a business partner network, with consumer as a part of the network, you can build solutions that it actually needs. And by consumer I mean the corporates who can exploit this data better.
This may inturn warrant looking for data from ground from scratch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed</p>
<p>I stumbled onto your blog and found it interesting for the forward thinking for a &#8220;public sector guy&#8221; and hope that you dont feel offended by that.<br />
Now, even though the &#8220;Oil Tanker&#8221; is capable of shipping the oil to the far away lands. But, still it is shipping oil unknown of the real understanding of what is it carrying as it does not understand the type of fuel that a consumer needs to fill in his car.<br />
This is synomomynous of the old world style of marketing out of the bag. &#8220;I have this all, tell me when to stop&#8221;</p>
<p>The newer philosophy of customer centricity may be a guide for the next generation of &#8220;Oil Business&#8221;.<br />
Probably, it would mean building a business partner network, with consumer as a part of the network, you can build solutions that it actually needs. And by consumer I mean the corporates who can exploit this data better.<br />
This may inturn warrant looking for data from ground from scratch.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.edparsons.com/2006/05/building-ordnance-survey-20-less-resistance/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jo,

Yes we will in due course do both WMS and WFS, in fact we already use WMS for most of our internal systems.

Don&#039;t know how we would license this - what do you think ?

Yes OK this maybe not very 2.0 for much of the industry, but for the OS a move in this direction I would argue would be significant.

Tom, I&#039;m waiting for your call.. lets see what we can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jo,</p>
<p>Yes we will in due course do both WMS and WFS, in fact we already use WMS for most of our internal systems.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know how we would license this &#8211; what do you think ?</p>
<p>Yes OK this maybe not very 2.0 for much of the industry, but for the OS a move in this direction I would argue would be significant.</p>
<p>Tom, I&#8217;m waiting for your call.. lets see what we can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.edparsons.com/2006/05/building-ordnance-survey-20-less-resistance/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, I&#039;d love to hear what you have in mind for &quot;providing OS data as a service&quot; - the open standards Web Map Service and Web Feature Service, for example, or spatially-queryable georss feeds of the (7m or so?) &#039;points of interest&#039; that the OS currently offers through commercial partnerships?

If we&#039;re going to be able to &#039;try OS data for free&#039;, what kind of license terms are likely to be attached to the data coming out of any OS web services?

To be honest, none of this sounds very &quot;2.0&quot; to me. Googlezon et al have been offering web service based, free for re-use access to their data for years. &quot;2.0 Culture&quot; descriptions tend to include an &quot;architecture of participation&quot;; providing means for &#039;users&#039; to become &#039;producers&#039;, to correct information and contribute their own - the OpenStreetmap model, where geospatial data becomes a kind of collective work. When the OS starts to take this idea seriously, perhaps I&#039;ll believe it&#039;s reached the 21st century ;)

Tom deserves a better response than you&#039;re offering: how can his cohorts at MySociety come up with a good proposal for use of OS data, unless they can find out what&#039;s in it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I&#8217;d love to hear what you have in mind for &#8220;providing OS data as a service&#8221; &#8211; the open standards Web Map Service and Web Feature Service, for example, or spatially-queryable georss feeds of the (7m or so?) &#8216;points of interest&#8217; that the OS currently offers through commercial partnerships?</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re going to be able to &#8216;try OS data for free&#8217;, what kind of license terms are likely to be attached to the data coming out of any OS web services?</p>
<p>To be honest, none of this sounds very &#8220;2.0&#8243; to me. Googlezon et al have been offering web service based, free for re-use access to their data for years. &#8220;2.0 Culture&#8221; descriptions tend to include an &#8220;architecture of participation&#8221;; providing means for &#8216;users&#8217; to become &#8216;producers&#8217;, to correct information and contribute their own &#8211; the OpenStreetmap model, where geospatial data becomes a kind of collective work. When the OS starts to take this idea seriously, perhaps I&#8217;ll believe it&#8217;s reached the 21st century <img src='http://blakeparsons.com/edparsons/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Tom deserves a better response than you&#8217;re offering: how can his cohorts at MySociety come up with a good proposal for use of OS data, unless they can find out what&#8217;s in it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey wait a minute Tom, I was serious -  make me a proposal as to what you are going to do and we will look at it... Really !!

ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey wait a minute Tom, I was serious &#8211;  make me a proposal as to what you are going to do and we will look at it&#8230; Really !!</p>
<p>ed</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Steinberg</title>
		<link>http://www.edparsons.com/2006/05/building-ordnance-survey-20-less-resistance/#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Steinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a little question. When we were chatting informally the other day I said to Ed (and it wasn&#039;t for the first time) &quot;Why don&#039;t you give us a huge HDD with all your data for non public use, and we&#039;ll find out what unpredictable value there is in it&quot;.

Ed said &quot;Make us a proposal for what you want to do with it&quot; and laughed it off.

However, having more data than you strictly need is precisely how you find new uses, and how you explore all this non-obvious metadata you&#039;ve been so carefully adding. As you say yourself &quot;Let users discover the value in OS data by actually deploying it, and if the value is there, they will pay for it later.&quot;

Unfortunately for the culture of change at the OS, it is the most expensive data that is the hardest to percieve value in without playing with it - what sort of intruiging stuff lies in all those vector layers and toids?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a little question. When we were chatting informally the other day I said to Ed (and it wasn&#8217;t for the first time) &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you give us a huge HDD with all your data for non public use, and we&#8217;ll find out what unpredictable value there is in it&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ed said &#8220;Make us a proposal for what you want to do with it&#8221; and laughed it off.</p>
<p>However, having more data than you strictly need is precisely how you find new uses, and how you explore all this non-obvious metadata you&#8217;ve been so carefully adding. As you say yourself &#8220;Let users discover the value in OS data by actually deploying it, and if the value is there, they will pay for it later.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately for the culture of change at the OS, it is the most expensive data that is the hardest to percieve value in without playing with it &#8211; what sort of intruiging stuff lies in all those vector layers and toids?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 10:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Let users discover the value in OS data by actually deploying it, and if the value is there, they will pay for it later.&quot;

This will no doubt provoke lots of discussion amongst the &#039;traditional&#039;
GI and GIS users; specifically in the public sector. If it doesn&#039;t then it&#039;s time to pack up and go home...

It&#039;s nothing if not controversial - good post Ed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let users discover the value in OS data by actually deploying it, and if the value is there, they will pay for it later.&#8221;</p>
<p>This will no doubt provoke lots of discussion amongst the &#8216;traditional&#8217;<br />
GI and GIS users; specifically in the public sector. If it doesn&#8217;t then it&#8217;s time to pack up and go home&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nothing if not controversial &#8211; good post Ed.</p>
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